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Response to a troll – updated

Update – 4/3/2007

TikiLoungeLizard has responded and engaged in a debate. So it is official: he/she is not a troll. I apologize for making the wrong assumption.

Two days ago I had one more achievement as a blogger: I had several polite, but hostile, comments on my blog, posted by the same person. Well, technically the term "troll" is a bit premature for this particular commenter: this person still might engage in a debate. So, let’s try to determine whether we are dealing with a troll, shall we? I will reply to his/her comments in this post, and we’ll se how the debate will proceed.

The comments were posted here, here (twice) and here. This commenter signs as TikiLoungeLizard, so this is the name I will use in addressing this person.

The first post (chronologically) where the comment appeared was the one about Protest Warrior action in San Diego. I mentioned links between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda found by 9/11 Commission, and TikiLoungeLizard commented that Bin Laden was not even mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report. The short answer to this is here,, but I will also write this here for clarity. I have the report. Guess what? The links are there. They are listed on page 66 of my edition. That page also used to be available in the on-line edition of the report in Chapter 2. For reasons that I fail to understand this particular page seems to have been removed. But here is the scan of that page 66 from my copy. See for yourself. Note that whatever new evidence that you might claim disproving the links (there are none, but let’s just clear this up for the sake of argument) is not an excuse to remove anything from the original report. If there would be any new evidence, that evidence should be added to the original. But anyway, here is the answer regarding the Hussien-Al Qaeda links.

The next post where TikiLoungeLizard’s comment appeared was the one about name-calling. It is interesting that TikiLoungeLizard skipped the post in between, where I ask opponents of the war effort a question. So I’ll go ahead and repeat this question for TikiLoungeLizard personally:

Are you prepared to abandon the people of Iraq to the perverted monsters who use children in suicide bombings?

Now we can deal with the comment. First of all, the lady I mentioned in my post did not indicate any support for Hezbollah. She just objected calling the kids in the photograph "Hezbo-Jugend". So, TikiLoungeLizard, what else would you call these kids? You say further that you don’t support Hezbollah, nor Zionism. So, what’s wrong with Zionism? The Left supports all the so-called national liberation movements. Even if they are Nazi in nature. So, the Left supports all the national liberation movements, except one: national liberation movement of the Jewish people, otherwise known as Zionism. If you will claim that "Jewish" means "practicing Judaism", you will be wrong. Jewish, or Jew, is an ethnic, rather than religious, definition. Religion defines Serbs, Croats and Bosnian Muslims much more than Jews: those people all speak the same language and have very close, if not the same, culture, and differ only by their religions. Jews, on the other hand, have and always had a distinct language and a distinct culture. The Left always seems to encourage multiculturalism, encourage preserving ethnic identities. So, why are you so eager to deny me my ethnic identity? For the record, I don’t support multiculturalism: I think that we are all Americans, and the language of this country is English. But as assimilated as I am, I still can’t change the fact that I am a Jew from the former Soviet Union. That is a big part of my personality, so please leave that to me.

Interestingly enough, there was a time when the Left supported Israel. That was before the late 1960s, when United States started actively supporting Israel, and the Left became the collective agent of influence for the Soviet Union, the 2nd (after Mao) most deadly dictatorship in the history of mankind, regime very similar to the Nazi regime. How do I know it was similar? Read this, this and this. My grandpa told me many times that after signing of Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact the Soviet newspapers were praising friendship between two socialist countries. I can’t provide any links to what my late grandfather told me, but I can link to what grandpa remembered in June of 1945. Note that a military alliance between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany was a real possibility. Are you still proud to be on the Left?

There is only one reason for your opposition to Zionism: anti-Semitism. Martin Luther King said: "When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews, You are talking anti-Semitism." Note that I deliberately provide the link that disputes that he wrote some letter on the subject. So, you are an anti-Semite. And if you know some self-hating suicidal Jews that agree with you, that does not change that fact.

Now on to your 2 comments on the Home Front post. It really pisses me off, when people talk about "exit strategy". What was the "exit strategy" in World War 2? The best answer to the question of "exit strategy" was given by a former Democrat Joe Lieberman:

“In war, there are two exit strategies. One is called victory. The other is called defeat and America has too much on the line in Iraq to accept defeat.”

As for the airline security, you will be the first to scream if real security measures are implemented. Besides, it is said that the authorities trying to prevent a terrorist attack have to be right 100% of the time, while the terrorists have to succeed only once. So it is more productive to fight them at the source, rather than implementing security measures (although, they would not hurt). Perhaps the war in Iraq drains enough Al Qaeda resources away from their operatives in the US, so they weren’t able to mount a successful attack since 9/11.

In your second comment you refer to Hermann Goering as a general. You are the first one to do that. You see, usually people refer to him by his wartime rank (Reichsmarschall) or by his position (chief of the Luftwaffe). But those would be people who know the history of World War 2. I suspect that this history is not your strong point. Otherwise you would not be on the Left. However, your quote is there in that Wikipedia link. But you see, I don’t need to be told that I am being attacked: I already was attacked. My cousin worked right next to the World Trade Center. I know people who escaped. My cousin knew people who did not. My relatives and friends are being bombed in Israel. The nut in Iran denies that members of my and my wife’s families were murdered, while promising to do it again. So, don’t pull the Nazis on me. It is you who support the modern incarnation of Nazis, even if you don’t realize that. Because by opposing the war against the Nazis you support them. So, what I called the Left in my Name-Calling post still stands. The Left is evil, Nazi-sympathizing, indifferent to human suffering and treasonous. I should add "anti-Semitic" and "ignorant" to it.

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April 2, 2007 - Posted by | Uncategorized

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  1. I guess if someone disagrees with you, that makes them a “troll”. Let start with your first point. I misread your “joke” about the photo because the caption was above it. What I read was “Osama is for Obama in ’08” and I misunderstood this as some attempt at making an erroneous connection between the two. However, I will address your broader point. I read your scan of the 9/11 report, and here was what I found:
    …..”Bin Laden sent out a number of feelers to the Iraqi regime, offering some cooperation. None are reported to have received a significant response” and “Hussein’s efforts at this time to rebuild relations with the Saudis and other Middle Eastern regimes led him to stay clear of Bin Laden” and goes on to say “meetings…May have occurred….Iraqi officials [may have] offered Bin Laden a safe haven in Iraq. Bin Laden declined…” Wow that sure is a “smoking gun” right there, complete with full documentation of all the shady sources. Certainly enough evidence to start a war, waste 3000 plus American lives and $2 billion per week, not to mention all the wasted political capital.
    The final conclusion is “Nor have we seen evidence indicating that Iraq cooperated with al Quaeda in developing or carrying out any attacks against the United States.” I think that pretty much says it all.

    Comment by TikiLoungeLizard | April 3, 2007 | Reply

  2. TikiLoungeLizard,
    No, not everybody who disagrees with me is a troll. You, obviously, are not: you responded and engaged in the debate, and I respect you for that. I already updated the post and apologized for making the wrong assumption.
    Indeed, there are not a lot of links between Saddam and Al Qaeda listed in the 9/11 Commission Report. But you can’t claim that there were NO links. Books like “The Connection” by Stephen Hayes and “The Secret History of the Iraq War” by Yossef Bodansky are much more extensive in their research. Bodansky’s book is of particular interest: he writes that the Bush Administration botched the war and pulls no punches. As for “no operational cooperation” (a concept disputed in the books I listed) between Saddam and Al Qaeda, I’ll agree that this is significant as soon as you will show me that there were more “operational cooperation” between the Germans and the Japanese during World War 2. Hint: you will be hard pressed to do that. Are you going to deny that they were allies in that war?
    Are you going to answer my other points?
    Eric.

    Comment by Eric-Odessit | April 3, 2007 | Reply


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